Comments on: THANK YOU FOR BEING BLACK, OR, IF YOU DONT LIKE SLUMMING YOU DONT LIKE CLIMBING http://www.negrophonic.com/2008/thank-you-for-being-black-or-if-you-dont-like-slumming-you-dont-like-climbing/ dirt, sound, lit Sat, 19 Jul 2008 19:12:45 +0000 http://wordpress.org/?v=2.5.1 By: james gyre http://www.negrophonic.com/2008/thank-you-for-being-black-or-if-you-dont-like-slumming-you-dont-like-climbing/#comment-4743 james gyre Fri, 11 Apr 2008 17:52:12 +0000 http://www.negrophonic.com/2008/thank-you-for-being-black-or-if-you-dont-like-slumming-you-dont-like-climbing/#comment-4743 nice track you posted... thanks. i've always liked the pseudo-mystical, socially-critical vibe of the police. stuart copeland's reggae-influenced technical drumming is the shit. but what other reggae covers of police tunes are there out there? i have to assume someone has done "every breath you take" in an alton ellis vibe. "spirits in the material world" would be sweet in deep roots dub. nice track you posted… thanks.

i’ve always liked the pseudo-mystical, socially-critical vibe of the police. stuart copeland’s reggae-influenced technical drumming is the shit.

but what other reggae covers of police tunes are there out there? i have to assume someone has done “every breath you take” in an alton ellis vibe. “spirits in the material world” would be sweet in deep roots dub.

]]> By: mrmonro http://www.negrophonic.com/2008/thank-you-for-being-black-or-if-you-dont-like-slumming-you-dont-like-climbing/#comment-4728 mrmonro Wed, 09 Apr 2008 02:57:50 +0000 http://www.negrophonic.com/2008/thank-you-for-being-black-or-if-you-dont-like-slumming-you-dont-like-climbing/#comment-4728 Of special note is the bandonion or bandoneón, a German concertina system the original bisonoric layout of which was devised by Heinrich Band. This type of concertina is traditionally featured in Tango music due to the instrument's popularity in Argentina in the late 19th century when Tango developed from the various dance styles in Argentina and Uruguay. When Tango spread as a fashionable dance to Paris in the early 20 century, the Bandoneón was adapted with a new unisonoric finguring option known as the French or Piguri system. But the bisonoric layout is often preferred as the more 'traditional' option. Bandoneóns with more than one reed for each note are typically dry-tuned. One of the most famous exponents of this instrument was Astor Piazzola. --- but then again, it's wikipedia, innit? Of special note is the bandonion or bandoneón, a German concertina system the original bisonoric layout of which was devised by Heinrich Band. This type of concertina is traditionally featured in Tango music due to the instrument’s popularity in Argentina in the late 19th century when Tango developed from the various dance styles in Argentina and Uruguay. When Tango spread as a fashionable dance to Paris in the early 20 century, the Bandoneón was adapted with a new unisonoric finguring option known as the French or Piguri system. But the bisonoric layout is often preferred as the more ‘traditional’ option. Bandoneóns with more than one reed for each note are typically dry-tuned. One of the most famous exponents of this instrument was Astor Piazzola.

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but then again, it’s wikipedia, innit?

]]> By: mrmonro http://www.negrophonic.com/2008/thank-you-for-being-black-or-if-you-dont-like-slumming-you-dont-like-climbing/#comment-4727 mrmonro Wed, 09 Apr 2008 02:55:43 +0000 http://www.negrophonic.com/2008/thank-you-for-being-black-or-if-you-dont-like-slumming-you-dont-like-climbing/#comment-4727 http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Concertina helpful? http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Concertina

helpful?

]]> By: acracia http://www.negrophonic.com/2008/thank-you-for-being-black-or-if-you-dont-like-slumming-you-dont-like-climbing/#comment-4723 acracia Tue, 08 Apr 2008 15:08:05 +0000 http://www.negrophonic.com/2008/thank-you-for-being-black-or-if-you-dont-like-slumming-you-dont-like-climbing/#comment-4723 There are different instruments... though I guess with the accordions can happen like with the lillies. The bandoneon has buttons on both sides but has different mapping and sound than the button accordion. Also the bandoneones are done with a different aleation (mix of metals, I don't know is this is the word in english) for the pipes and though they have harmonics, they have a main note more clear than the accordions. But yeah, I guess you can call a bandoneon a "button accordion" if you get a good lawyer, though not in the middle of La Boca! :) There are different instruments… though I guess with the accordions can happen like with the lillies.

The bandoneon has buttons on both sides but has different mapping and sound than the button accordion. Also the bandoneones are done with a different aleation (mix of metals, I don’t know is this is the word in english) for the pipes and though they have harmonics, they have a main note more clear than the accordions.

But yeah, I guess you can call a bandoneon a “button accordion” if you get a good lawyer, though not in the middle of La Boca! :)

]]> By: jace http://www.negrophonic.com/2008/thank-you-for-being-black-or-if-you-dont-like-slumming-you-dont-like-climbing/#comment-4720 jace Tue, 08 Apr 2008 04:45:21 +0000 http://www.negrophonic.com/2008/thank-you-for-being-black-or-if-you-dont-like-slumming-you-dont-like-climbing/#comment-4720 ok wait: what's the difference btwn a button accordion and a bandoneon? ok wait: what’s the difference btwn a button accordion and a bandoneon?

]]> By: Caro http://www.negrophonic.com/2008/thank-you-for-being-black-or-if-you-dont-like-slumming-you-dont-like-climbing/#comment-4717 Caro Mon, 07 Apr 2008 22:54:02 +0000 http://www.negrophonic.com/2008/thank-you-for-being-black-or-if-you-dont-like-slumming-you-dont-like-climbing/#comment-4717 Jace, some cumbias con acordeon use bandoneones? Wow, that's a new one to me. Whether Mex or Colombian, I've usually seen/heard only accordions. I've actually been meaning to hit Monterrey to dig the accordion history -- there used to be a Hohner factory there. Jace, some cumbias con acordeon use bandoneones? Wow, that’s a new one to me. Whether Mex or Colombian, I’ve usually seen/heard only accordions.

I’ve actually been meaning to hit Monterrey to dig the accordion history — there used to be a Hohner factory there.

]]> By: jace http://www.negrophonic.com/2008/thank-you-for-being-black-or-if-you-dont-like-slumming-you-dont-like-climbing/#comment-4713 jace Mon, 07 Apr 2008 19:29:23 +0000 http://www.negrophonic.com/2008/thank-you-for-being-black-or-if-you-dont-like-slumming-you-dont-like-climbing/#comment-4713 i like musical decisions based on ease-of-carry. Guitar, Serato, flute. Piano, 3 crates of rare vinyl, tuba. "and let´s be careful, accordian and bandoneon are different" - yes, but The People use 'acordeon' to refer to both in various contemporary cumbia/durango/etc scenes, actually, i find that folks mostly use 'acordeon' to refer to bandoneon; ive got stuff like 'Cumbias con Acordeon' comps with a guy playing bandoneon on the front.... <i>totally unaware of the cognitive dissonance he is generating.</i> i like musical decisions based on ease-of-carry. Guitar, Serato, flute.
Piano, 3 crates of rare vinyl, tuba.

“and let´s be careful, accordian and bandoneon are different” - yes, but The People use ‘acordeon’ to refer to both in various contemporary cumbia/durango/etc scenes,

actually, i find that folks mostly use ‘acordeon’ to refer to bandoneon; ive got stuff like ‘Cumbias con Acordeon’ comps with a guy playing bandoneon on the front…. totally unaware of the cognitive dissonance he is generating.

]]> By: n-ron http://www.negrophonic.com/2008/thank-you-for-being-black-or-if-you-dont-like-slumming-you-dont-like-climbing/#comment-4712 n-ron Mon, 07 Apr 2008 18:47:01 +0000 http://www.negrophonic.com/2008/thank-you-for-being-black-or-if-you-dont-like-slumming-you-dont-like-climbing/#comment-4712 historically accurate, sort of, but way the fuck off in terms of appropriation theories. by anonymous´s right, elvis was a cross climber, because the ukelele is portuguese and was appropriated/used by polynesians in hawaii due to exploitation/exploration (same word in portuguese, "explorar") http://www.pbs.org/accordiondreams/cultures/index.html and let´s be careful, accordian and bandoneon are different, and durango and sonora are just as much bandoneon as accordion... much of mexico doesn´t use the accordion anyways, it is from the north...but then again, I guess argentina, the northeast of brazil, and columbia are all just lower classes trying to get an edge. Or maybe the accordion is easier to carry than the piano... according to Joao Gilberto in Chega de Saudade, the reason bossa nova was played on the guitar (as opposed to Tom Jobim´s piano work) was it was easier to play on the beach in rio... historically accurate, sort of, but way the fuck off in terms of appropriation theories.
by anonymous´s right, elvis was a cross climber, because the ukelele is portuguese and was appropriated/used by polynesians in hawaii due to exploitation/exploration (same word in portuguese, “explorar”)

http://www.pbs.org/accordiondreams/cultures/index.html

and let´s be careful, accordian and bandoneon are different, and durango and sonora are just as much bandoneon as accordion…

much of mexico doesn´t use the accordion anyways, it is from the north…but then again, I guess argentina, the northeast of brazil, and columbia are all just lower classes trying to get an edge.

Or maybe the accordion is easier to carry than the piano…

according to Joao Gilberto in Chega de Saudade, the reason bossa nova was played on the guitar (as opposed to Tom Jobim´s piano work) was it was easier to play on the beach in rio…

]]> By: Caro http://www.negrophonic.com/2008/thank-you-for-being-black-or-if-you-dont-like-slumming-you-dont-like-climbing/#comment-4711 Caro Mon, 07 Apr 2008 17:42:13 +0000 http://www.negrophonic.com/2008/thank-you-for-being-black-or-if-you-dont-like-slumming-you-dont-like-climbing/#comment-4711 dude, you are F'D up! LOL. Lipsitz is always good reading. Kevin, if you know other accordion- or polka- related essays, lemme know, been looking for those... dude, you are F’D up! LOL.

Lipsitz is always good reading. Kevin, if you know other accordion- or polka- related essays, lemme know, been looking for those…

]]> By: jace http://www.negrophonic.com/2008/thank-you-for-being-black-or-if-you-dont-like-slumming-you-dont-like-climbing/#comment-4709 jace Mon, 07 Apr 2008 17:28:33 +0000 http://www.negrophonic.com/2008/thank-you-for-being-black-or-if-you-dont-like-slumming-you-dont-like-climbing/#comment-4709 apologies Birdseed - it *wasnt* you, i had my wires crossed! corrected-- no Swede blogger, it was an ANONYMOUS AMERICAN ETHNOMUSICOLOGIST posting on Wayne's blog: http://wayneandwax.com/?p=306 & Kevin -- tell me more about this essay! apologies Birdseed - it *wasnt* you, i had my wires crossed! corrected– no Swede blogger, it was an ANONYMOUS AMERICAN ETHNOMUSICOLOGIST posting on Wayne’s blog: http://wayneandwax.com/?p=306

& Kevin — tell me more about this essay!

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