Comments on: ART & THE FREEWAYS

By: bent

bent — Wed, 23 Jan 2008 20:39:18 +0000

this is so funny - our radio show has just shifted formats to completely talking about surviving the coming apocalypse (in whatever form) and we’ve been talking about these books - and compare the road and especially parable to masterson’s novella(?)/short story “i am legend” - also set in LA (and unlike the movie completely) - also consider a comparison with the stand. different ways of imagining what could/will happen - most people dead, with a few survivors, lots of resources but other threats (ie vampire/zombies in i am legend, satan’s imp in the stand) vs lots of people dead, lots of human survivors, no resources and with intense competition for what’s left and extreme threats from fellow humans (the road, parable of the sower).
everyone has writing styles they don’t like but for me octavia butler is one of the best, and not only her style but also the fact that she centers issues of race gender sexuality etc in her stories and often has powerful female protaganists as opposed to the ad naseum machismo of like stephen king for example. even in the road women are pathetic, and in i am legend either dead b/c they weren’t protected by the man, or out to get the man.

for intro insight into what to consider for yourself as the collapse of civilization/government/economy/environment approaches, check out “when technology fails”….

By: sizz

sizz — Wed, 23 Jan 2008 19:17:09 +0000

I loved parable of the sower, it motivated me to go and read Wild Seed, which is another one by Butler I thought was great (not urban dystopic, it starts in africa during the slaving period with a demon for a protagonist). I don’t agree with the complaints about her writing style, it’s not fireworky or overtly poetic but I felt it fit the task very well. If “the sand is like shattered ivory” is your idea of good writing… You do you and I’ll do me.

By: mextremist

mextremist — Wed, 23 Jan 2008 05:54:56 +0000

I have just finished reading Erickson’s Zeroville, which I really liked, although I was craving some of the dystopian, nocturnal schizo reimaginings of California he usually dishes out. Temporal psychogeography, popular music as the collective unconscious, the willful amnesia of late capitalism, mapping the apocalypse; his L.A. is my favorite fictional American city… I love the almost incidental way he presents these alternate realities, like some nocturnal apocalyptic urban magical realism.

And Mike: Thank you for collecting “Evil Paradises.” The hallucinatory decadence of postmodern wealth is the most frightening thing I’ve read in a while. “Speer meets Disney on the shore of Araby” Hay, cabrón, que miedo…

By: Alex

Alex — Tue, 22 Jan 2008 22:42:53 +0000

Second (or third) Brunner love (The Sheep Look Up is the ONE, although my favorite of his books is probably the magnificient The Squares of the City–a study of South American politics wrapped around the framework of a real life chessgame). Also recommend for LA Apocalypse-fans KW Jeter’s The Glass Hammer (and to a lesser extent Dr Adder.)

By: Rihard S.

Rihard S. — Tue, 22 Jan 2008 21:46:09 +0000

My favorite Mike Davis book is a collection not many people mention, Dead Cities. In terms of literary discussion in that one, I especially like the references to J.G. Ballard (who shouldn’t be left out of any discussion about apocalyptic and post-apocalyptic fiction) and H.G. Wells. To Mike Davis, I like a few of your books.

And, yes, Steve Erickson has done some fine writing too.

Jace, thank you for the recommendation of the Octavia Butler book. I haven’t read much of her work, though I’ve meant to. I met her back in 1985, when I was a youngster attending a Clarion West workshop (and she was one of my teachers, for a week). Seemed like a nice person, sad that she died.

By: hw

hw — Tue, 22 Jan 2008 19:39:43 +0000

Not a fan of Parable of the Sower at all- I found the characterization simplistic and the writing poor on a sentence-by-sentence level. Liked the Road but not close to as much as the great McCarthys like Blood Meridian and All the Pretty Horses.

As far as post-apocalyptic novels go, I recommend Fiskadoro by Denis Johnson. First paragraph:

“Here, and also south of us, the beaches have a yellow tint, but along
the Keys of Florida the sand is like shattered ivory. In the shallows
the white of it turns the water such an ideal sea-blue that looking at
it you think you must be dead, and the rice paddies, in some seasons,
are profoundly emerald. The people who inhabit these colors, thanked
be the compassion and mercy of Allah, have nothing much to trouble
them. It’s true that starting a little ways north of them the bodies
still just go on and on, and the Lord, as foretold, has crushed the
mountains; but it’s hard to imagine that such things ever went on in
the same universe that holds up the Keys of Florida. It strains all
belief to think that these are the places the god Quetzalcoatl, the
god Bob Marley, the god Jesus, promised to come back to and build
their kingdoms. On island after island, except for the fields of cane
popping in the wind, everything seems to be asleep.”

By: jace

jace — Tue, 22 Jan 2008 18:56:35 +0000

thanks for the info, Mike! great to hear from you.

while we’re talking apocalpyse - one of my favorite future eco-dystopias is John Brunner’s ‘The Sheep Look Up’ — hysterical but great. if i recall correctly in the opening scene one character makes a dreaded drive to L.A. for work, gas masks for streetwear and pay-water in the office bathrooms.

By: mike davis

mike davis — Tue, 22 Jan 2008 17:40:43 +0000

Much of the best writing about Southern California has long favored a post-apocalypse setting: in addition to Octavia Butler’s powerful Parable fo the Sower, I immediately think of Aldous Huxley’s Ape and Essence and Steve Erickson’s novels. But the darkest, most toughminded predecessor of McCarthy’s The Road is undoubtedly Ward Moore’s ‘Lot’ and ‘Lot’s Daughter’, a single novel published as separate novellas in the fifties. It is a savage indictment of L.A. culture (post-nuclear bourgeois survivalism turns into incest), a counterpoint to his hilarious ‘the lawn that ate L.A.’ novel, ‘Greener than You Think.’ Moore, in my opinion, was a much more talented writer than Fante and a far more interesting (and sympathetic)character than Bukowski. I urge younger readers to track down and discover his work.

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