Comments on: THE WINDOW IS OPEN

By: mr. monro

mr. monro — Wed, 11 Jul 2007 16:05:13 +0000

huh. ineresting.
http://news.independent.co.uk/europe/article2251355.ece

By: URLY PEARL

URLY PEARL — Wed, 11 Jul 2007 15:52:17 +0000

…and roots?

By: URLY PEARL

URLY PEARL — Wed, 11 Jul 2007 15:51:43 +0000

…and more impotantly, does Flamenco=”gypsy”?

“There are many routes and routes”…so what are they here?

By: URLY

URLY — Wed, 11 Jul 2007 15:45:19 +0000

sorry for the fast typing…

By: URLY

URLY — Wed, 11 Jul 2007 15:44:06 +0000

yep mr. rupture, exactly. I was in Granada recently and witnessed that very ‘invisibility’ you speak of. It seems the term gypsy is another floating signifier head without a body, conjuring up images entirely dependent on context. the socio-logic discussion could go on and on. but as far as the msical side of the identiry, i think it needs to be elaborated on, instead of getting lost in some stereo(typical) field of “wandering street musician” jive. there’s far more substance to the music represented here, and I think the umbrella term ‘gypsy’ just does the music very little justice. i want to know more about the specific musical genealogy(s) at work here. ya mean?

By: w&w

w&w — Wed, 11 Jul 2007 15:28:40 +0000

i guess it depends on whom you ask. for a while i found myself simply substituting ‘roma’ for ‘gypsy’ when i wanted to describe that loose social formation that tends to be described in these ways. it was brought to my attn, tho, that such substituting serves as hegemonic in its own ways (not all ‘gypsies’ are ‘roma’). of course, this search for the proper term for what is hardly a single people (is there any such thing?) brings us back to auratheft’s well-raised concerns re: identity //

that poem says it well

so does auratheft’s other “exotic,” “post-euro” mix title: “nomads and monades”
http://siebethissen.blogspot.com/2006/11/nomads-monades-tales-of-oneness.html

& so does mouse on mars’ idiology –

what qualities does the one have…

By: rupture

rupture — Wed, 11 Jul 2007 14:45:32 +0000

good points Urly. it is a little weird. i assume Auratheft is tapping into a loose idea of gypsy as mobile identity (his map; the Latcho Drom notion, etc). but you are indeed right that the term signifies quite differently & sensitively depending on where one is!! i no longer have any idea what ‘gypsy’ means to most Americans.
(when I think of gypsy, i think of roma shantytowns outside of Spanish cities and all the ways mainstream Spanish society renders them invisible.)

By: URLY

URLY — Wed, 11 Jul 2007 14:27:54 +0000

Anyone else slightly uneasy about the way the term “Gypsy” is thrown around here? Should we discuss context here? Or Etymology? In E. Europe that term has a very different..err…’tone’ than say, in the States. And Gypsy would seem to erroneously indicate Egypt. So who, or what are we talking about here, from a musical perspective?

I loved the Doaba mix btw, Doc. But, as a person of Czech-Roma decent, it’s a tough call on this one. In the interest of full disclosure, I call my friends “mongs” sometimes. Which also isn’t very nice.

Dope mix!!!!

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