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	<title>Comments on: STYROFOAM JUSTICE &#038; THE BOWERY MODE</title>
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		<title>By: AK in CLE</title>
		<link>http://www.negrophonic.com/2007/styrofoam-justice-the-bowery-mode/#comment-2731</link>
		<dc:creator>AK in CLE</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 23 Jun 2007 17:32:17 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I have a friend named Nita who moved down to New Orleans in the 90s, and met and worked with many greats of their music scene...when she met Ernie K-Doe (please see linked article), he introduced himself with words to the effect of "Pleased to meet you!  Ernie K-Doe, Mother-In-Law!"  Perhaps we should all do that, "famous" or not...Mr. Gold Teeth Thief, meet the Boston Jerk.  I'm Mr. Approaching the Minimal with Sprayguns.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I have a friend named Nita who moved down to New Orleans in the 90s, and met and worked with many greats of their music scene&#8230;when she met Ernie K-Doe (please see linked article), he introduced himself with words to the effect of &#8220;Pleased to meet you!  Ernie K-Doe, Mother-In-Law!&#8221;  Perhaps we should all do that, &#8220;famous&#8221; or not&#8230;Mr. Gold Teeth Thief, meet the Boston Jerk.  I&#8217;m Mr. Approaching the Minimal with Sprayguns.</p>
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		<title>By: quieto</title>
		<link>http://www.negrophonic.com/2007/styrofoam-justice-the-bowery-mode/#comment-2723</link>
		<dc:creator>quieto</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 22 Jun 2007 23:44:40 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>oh, and i dig the accent myself.  the man's creativity can't be restrained right now.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>oh, and i dig the accent myself.  the man&#8217;s creativity can&#8217;t be restrained right now.</p>
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		<title>By: quieto</title>
		<link>http://www.negrophonic.com/2007/styrofoam-justice-the-bowery-mode/#comment-2722</link>
		<dc:creator>quieto</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 22 Jun 2007 23:41:34 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>axe/ashe (Ah-sheh) = yoruba spiritual concept, often compared to the force in star wars, except there's not so much an issue about good and evil.  rather, it is a force that's neither right nor wrong but undeniably real and powerful.  you can read about it in robert farris thompson's flash of the spirit.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>axe/ashe (Ah-sheh) = yoruba spiritual concept, often compared to the force in star wars, except there&#8217;s not so much an issue about good and evil.  rather, it is a force that&#8217;s neither right nor wrong but undeniably real and powerful.  you can read about it in robert farris thompson&#8217;s flash of the spirit.</p>
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		<title>By: jj rupture</title>
		<link>http://www.negrophonic.com/2007/styrofoam-justice-the-bowery-mode/#comment-2721</link>
		<dc:creator>jj rupture</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 22 Jun 2007 22:21:56 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Quieto - 'ashe'?  yes re: houston rap, and rap in general, capitalism music. 

 BTW, i'm a big fan of Mr Lil Wayne Weezy's Ja-fakin' accent. more!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Quieto - &#8216;ashe&#8217;?  yes re: houston rap, and rap in general, capitalism music. </p>
<p> BTW, i&#8217;m a big fan of Mr Lil Wayne Weezy&#8217;s Ja-fakin&#8217; accent. more!</p>
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		<title>By: quieto</title>
		<link>http://www.negrophonic.com/2007/styrofoam-justice-the-bowery-mode/#comment-2720</link>
		<dc:creator>quieto</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 22 Jun 2007 20:36:06 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>terrific post and comments.

y'all heard weezy's Da Drought 3?  in a funnily pertinent twist of the ol' lemon, he flows in a fake jamaican accent over the song in question.  i think this provides a nice converse to what you describe, ashe posessing as opposed to ashe sought and hiding.

re: the mims song in all this, i think what jace describes holds true for most southern rap, too.  especially (surprise!) houston rap.  so many people write off the lyrics as dumb, but there's so much more to it than that.  it sounds (/is?) stupid, but all it takes to understand this effect is to listen to music about running around trying to make money at all hours, while you're running around town in a place you don't know with no job, trying to make money at all hours.  the fact that we're talking about different scales/extremes here, and that their prophecies are often self-fulfilling, really illustrate this point.  y'know, in the same way that lame-ass emo lyrics actually make that sex-symbol skaterdude a total puss.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>terrific post and comments.</p>
<p>y&#8217;all heard weezy&#8217;s Da Drought 3?  in a funnily pertinent twist of the ol&#8217; lemon, he flows in a fake jamaican accent over the song in question.  i think this provides a nice converse to what you describe, ashe posessing as opposed to ashe sought and hiding.</p>
<p>re: the mims song in all this, i think what jace describes holds true for most southern rap, too.  especially (surprise!) houston rap.  so many people write off the lyrics as dumb, but there&#8217;s so much more to it than that.  it sounds (/is?) stupid, but all it takes to understand this effect is to listen to music about running around trying to make money at all hours, while you&#8217;re running around town in a place you don&#8217;t know with no job, trying to make money at all hours.  the fact that we&#8217;re talking about different scales/extremes here, and that their prophecies are often self-fulfilling, really illustrate this point.  y&#8217;know, in the same way that lame-ass emo lyrics actually make that sex-symbol skaterdude a total puss.</p>
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		<title>By: ghis</title>
		<link>http://www.negrophonic.com/2007/styrofoam-justice-the-bowery-mode/#comment-2719</link>
		<dc:creator>ghis</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 22 Jun 2007 20:34:09 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Yeah, it's funny to see DJ Mehdi who was the top french producer 10 years ago (so much hits he produced over there) to reinvent itself into a solo career in the house style.
Most of the people don't makes the link, but us (francophones) we KNOW !
 :)</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Yeah, it&#8217;s funny to see DJ Mehdi who was the top french producer 10 years ago (so much hits he produced over there) to reinvent itself into a solo career in the house style.<br />
Most of the people don&#8217;t makes the link, but us (francophones) we KNOW !<br />
 <img src='http://www.negrophonic.com/wp-includes/images/smilies/icon_smile.gif' alt=':)' class='wp-smiley' /></p>
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		<title>By: w&#38;w</title>
		<link>http://www.negrophonic.com/2007/styrofoam-justice-the-bowery-mode/#comment-2718</link>
		<dc:creator>w&#38;w</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 22 Jun 2007 18:06:50 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&#62;"maybe the danger is that by notating or analysing something you appropriate it into a system and culture which is totally alien to it, thereby losing the magic and robbing it of its own identity."

definitely some danger there, but not necessarily a loss in magic or identity; rather, a change, perhaps an accretion of meaning, new magic for new interpreters.

i do think benjamin (/ taussig) is rather, er, illuminating in this regard -- that is, w/r/t magic, aura, and the "task of translation."

&#38; i agree about the "need" to do this sort of translating for oneself, long as we maintain some vigilance about the problems and pitfalls and power relations inherent to the enterprise.

thx for the thoughts!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>&gt;&#8221;maybe the danger is that by notating or analysing something you appropriate it into a system and culture which is totally alien to it, thereby losing the magic and robbing it of its own identity.&#8221;</p>
<p>definitely some danger there, but not necessarily a loss in magic or identity; rather, a change, perhaps an accretion of meaning, new magic for new interpreters.</p>
<p>i do think benjamin (/ taussig) is rather, er, illuminating in this regard &#8212; that is, w/r/t magic, aura, and the &#8220;task of translation.&#8221;</p>
<p>&amp; i agree about the &#8220;need&#8221; to do this sort of translating for oneself, long as we maintain some vigilance about the problems and pitfalls and power relations inherent to the enterprise.</p>
<p>thx for the thoughts!</p>
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		<title>By: jen</title>
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		<dc:creator>jen</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 22 Jun 2007 17:35:47 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>sorry, i didn't mean to be down on Jace's post, i thought it was great. i was being devil's advocate, was meant with raised-eyebrow, tongue-in-cheek sort of expression.

i think staff notation is just another theoretical tool, just like analytical text.  for me it's a language which i understand, and although it has it's pitfalls, as long as you are aware of them and of the system's limitations as a whole, it's efficient and convenient.

i was just trying to make a point that there's no harm in using different tools and languages in order to get a deeper understanding of something which can appear, on the surface, to defy definition. (from one perspective)

maybe the danger is that by notating or analysing something you appropriate it into a system and culture which is totally alien to it, thereby losing the magic and robbing it of its own identity.

but i hope it would be more the case that you described:

"an act of translation/explication that....despite surface simplicity or, if u will, turdidity–it withstands and bolsters such theoretical tools"

and actually i would have quite a real need to do this!

translations are extremely useful but they never replace the original.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>sorry, i didn&#8217;t mean to be down on Jace&#8217;s post, i thought it was great. i was being devil&#8217;s advocate, was meant with raised-eyebrow, tongue-in-cheek sort of expression.</p>
<p>i think staff notation is just another theoretical tool, just like analytical text.  for me it&#8217;s a language which i understand, and although it has it&#8217;s pitfalls, as long as you are aware of them and of the system&#8217;s limitations as a whole, it&#8217;s efficient and convenient.</p>
<p>i was just trying to make a point that there&#8217;s no harm in using different tools and languages in order to get a deeper understanding of something which can appear, on the surface, to defy definition. (from one perspective)</p>
<p>maybe the danger is that by notating or analysing something you appropriate it into a system and culture which is totally alien to it, thereby losing the magic and robbing it of its own identity.</p>
<p>but i hope it would be more the case that you described:</p>
<p>&#8220;an act of translation/explication that&#8230;.despite surface simplicity or, if u will, turdidity–it withstands and bolsters such theoretical tools&#8221;</p>
<p>and actually i would have quite a real need to do this!</p>
<p>translations are extremely useful but they never replace the original.</p>
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		<title>By: w&#38;w</title>
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		<dc:creator>w&#38;w</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 22 Jun 2007 16:49:23 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>also, not to flood the comment box, but it's worth noting that mims's language and berber rhythms not only can withstand but also elude such tools. nevertheless, i'm glad to have read jace's analysis, and i suspect it enriches the resonance of the mims song in way that western notation probably would not enrich the resonance of berber rhythms (but maybe that's just my bias against "western" notation).</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>also, not to flood the comment box, but it&#8217;s worth noting that mims&#8217;s language and berber rhythms not only can withstand but also elude such tools. nevertheless, i&#8217;m glad to have read jace&#8217;s analysis, and i suspect it enriches the resonance of the mims song in way that western notation probably would not enrich the resonance of berber rhythms (but maybe that&#8217;s just my bias against &#8220;western&#8221; notation).</p>
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		<title>By: w&#38;w</title>
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		<dc:creator>w&#38;w</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 22 Jun 2007 16:46:12 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>"a bit like me writing a slippery berber rhythm in classical western staff notation?"

that sort of endeavor sounds to me more akin to the villagevoice analysis, tho it depends on why you'd be involved in such an act of translation/explication &#38; what's the point: showing what's amazing/magic about the subject/object in question and how--despite surface simplicity or, if u will, turdidity--it withstands and bolsters such theoretical tools (which offer us another perspective on it), or simply belittling it from "above"?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>&#8220;a bit like me writing a slippery berber rhythm in classical western staff notation?&#8221;</p>
<p>that sort of endeavor sounds to me more akin to the villagevoice analysis, tho it depends on why you&#8217;d be involved in such an act of translation/explication &amp; what&#8217;s the point: showing what&#8217;s amazing/magic about the subject/object in question and how&#8211;despite surface simplicity or, if u will, turdidity&#8211;it withstands and bolsters such theoretical tools (which offer us another perspective on it), or simply belittling it from &#8220;above&#8221;?</p>
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