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	<pubDate>Sat, 19 Jul 2008 19:12:13 +0000</pubDate>
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		<title>By: khalil</title>
		<link>http://www.negrophonic.com/2007/parisian-algerienne/#comment-4338</link>
		<dc:creator>khalil</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 29 Jan 2008 11:55:15 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>ok c bon</description>
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		<title>By: oudist</title>
		<link>http://www.negrophonic.com/2007/parisian-algerienne/#comment-4009</link>
		<dc:creator>oudist</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 18 Dec 2007 19:38:24 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>damn! missed this one. if there are any mp3s you are considering re-upping at some future point, please consider this one as a request. cheers!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>damn! missed this one. if there are any mp3s you are considering re-upping at some future point, please consider this one as a request. cheers!</p>
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		<title>By: w&#38;w</title>
		<link>http://www.negrophonic.com/2007/parisian-algerienne/#comment-3889</link>
		<dc:creator>w&#38;w</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 07 Nov 2007 23:24:55 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>"What _is_ world music -- in the sense of being globally disseminated and popularly, even reverently, internalized almost everywhere -- is precisely what is _not_ 'world music,' which is to say included in books like [The Rough Guide]: namely, European classicism and American jazz, blues, rock, and (now) rap." 

-- &lt;a href="http://wayneandwax.com/pdfs/brennan-world-music.pdf" rel="nofollow"&gt;Timothy Brennan, "World Music Does Not Exist," Discourse - 23.1, Winter 2001, pp. 44-62&lt;/a&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>&#8220;What _is_ world music &#8212; in the sense of being globally disseminated and popularly, even reverently, internalized almost everywhere &#8212; is precisely what is _not_ &#8216;world music,&#8217; which is to say included in books like [The Rough Guide]: namely, European classicism and American jazz, blues, rock, and (now) rap.&#8221; </p>
<p>&#8211; <a href="http://wayneandwax.com/pdfs/brennan-world-music.pdf" rel="nofollow">Timothy Brennan, &#8220;World Music Does Not Exist,&#8221; Discourse - 23.1, Winter 2001, pp. 44-62</a></p>
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		<title>By: jace</title>
		<link>http://www.negrophonic.com/2007/parisian-algerienne/#comment-3887</link>
		<dc:creator>jace</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 07 Nov 2007 15:48:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Jozef -- I dont feel 'discomfort' w/ the term "world music", I was just offering another way of thinking about what that adjective 'world' could mean!  

 I understand that world music describes a powerful market niche.  What world music DOESNT describe is the wealth of material that is labeled it, as a genre-label its about as vague and useless as something like 'hardcore' -- even 'pop' is more specific, since it at least contains ideas of popularity.  Whereas "world music" can be anything from a Peter Gabriel soundtrack to Last Temptation of Christ to old archival recordings of Tuareg circumcision rituals to Israeli army songs to Gilberto Gil.  Clearly it is not a genre as such. 

if anything, it's a signifier of otherness -- nonWestern otherness usually, but that's problematic as well,  since most 'world musicians' don't think of themselves as such.  
   For example , if you hear music from Morocco you might think, 'oh, this is great world music', or even 'oh, this is great arabic music', but with a bit more intimacy, you start seeing the complexity and abundance in its specificity: no world music is produced in Morocco, but there IS lots of rai, chaabi, berber, gnawa, reggada, alaoui, chaabi, andalusian, rap, classical, and a whole lot more.  

  but critiquing the term World Music is like shooting fish in a barrel!. if its useful to you, then that's good enough!  I'm totally fine w/ someone calling MuddUp! a world music blog -- in this case, the terms vagueness works in its favor.   

  but i am curious: what should a Haitian compas drummer, or a traditional Thai singer, or an Iranian heavy metal guitarist, think of as 'world music'?  Should they auto-exoticize?  the term world music is fittingly parochial, in the end, tending to describe the person doing the labeling rather than the music being labeled.

 thnx for the links! FYI, i contributed some world music flava to Ghislain's album. the track Exils features violin from my bandmate Abdelhak which I recorded &#038; produced over a few sessions and sent to Ghis in exchange for his beat on my Taqasim track (Also w/ Abdel)</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Jozef &#8212; I dont feel &#8216;discomfort&#8217; w/ the term &#8220;world music&#8221;, I was just offering another way of thinking about what that adjective &#8216;world&#8217; could mean!  </p>
<p> I understand that world music describes a powerful market niche.  What world music DOESNT describe is the wealth of material that is labeled it, as a genre-label its about as vague and useless as something like &#8216;hardcore&#8217; &#8212; even &#8216;pop&#8217; is more specific, since it at least contains ideas of popularity.  Whereas &#8220;world music&#8221; can be anything from a Peter Gabriel soundtrack to Last Temptation of Christ to old archival recordings of Tuareg circumcision rituals to Israeli army songs to Gilberto Gil.  Clearly it is not a genre as such. </p>
<p>if anything, it&#8217;s a signifier of otherness &#8212; nonWestern otherness usually, but that&#8217;s problematic as well,  since most &#8216;world musicians&#8217; don&#8217;t think of themselves as such.<br />
   For example , if you hear music from Morocco you might think, &#8216;oh, this is great world music&#8217;, or even &#8216;oh, this is great arabic music&#8217;, but with a bit more intimacy, you start seeing the complexity and abundance in its specificity: no world music is produced in Morocco, but there IS lots of rai, chaabi, berber, gnawa, reggada, alaoui, chaabi, andalusian, rap, classical, and a whole lot more.  </p>
<p>  but critiquing the term World Music is like shooting fish in a barrel!. if its useful to you, then that&#8217;s good enough!  I&#8217;m totally fine w/ someone calling MuddUp! a world music blog &#8212; in this case, the terms vagueness works in its favor.   </p>
<p>  but i am curious: what should a Haitian compas drummer, or a traditional Thai singer, or an Iranian heavy metal guitarist, think of as &#8216;world music&#8217;?  Should they auto-exoticize?  the term world music is fittingly parochial, in the end, tending to describe the person doing the labeling rather than the music being labeled.</p>
<p> thnx for the links! FYI, i contributed some world music flava to Ghislain&#8217;s album. the track Exils features violin from my bandmate Abdelhak which I recorded &#038; produced over a few sessions and sent to Ghis in exchange for his beat on my Taqasim track (Also w/ Abdel)</p>
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		<title>By: Jozef</title>
		<link>http://www.negrophonic.com/2007/parisian-algerienne/#comment-3886</link>
		<dc:creator>Jozef</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 07 Nov 2007 14:18:26 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Hi Jace

As written earlier I do not understand your discomfort with the label 'world music', and feel unfairly treated for liking it.

To my surprise you get a buck back from an unexpected corner.

What about “global ghettotech”

http://music.aol.ca/article/Ghislain-Poirier-global-ghettotech/225/

Also check out Guillaume's reflection's on Kuduro

http://masalacism.blogspot.com/2007/10/kuduro-one-year-later.html

Let the music play!

Jozef</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Hi Jace</p>
<p>As written earlier I do not understand your discomfort with the label &#8216;world music&#8217;, and feel unfairly treated for liking it.</p>
<p>To my surprise you get a buck back from an unexpected corner.</p>
<p>What about “global ghettotech”</p>
<p><a href="http://music.aol.ca/article/Ghislain-Poirier-global-ghettotech/225/" rel="nofollow">http://music.aol.ca/article/Ghislain-Poirier-global-ghettotech/225/</a></p>
<p>Also check out Guillaume&#8217;s reflection&#8217;s on Kuduro</p>
<p><a href="http://masalacism.blogspot.com/2007/10/kuduro-one-year-later.html" rel="nofollow">http://masalacism.blogspot.com/2007/10/kuduro-one-year-later.html</a></p>
<p>Let the music play!</p>
<p>Jozef</p>
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		<title>By: Anonymous</title>
		<link>http://www.negrophonic.com/2007/parisian-algerienne/#comment-3874</link>
		<dc:creator>Anonymous</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 03 Nov 2007 18:44:04 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Hi Jace,

Fine position. But is it helpful to get the great music that you focus on in this blog get global reach?

On my bookmarks your blog is under world. Sorry. Have a lot of fun. 

Jozef</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Hi Jace,</p>
<p>Fine position. But is it helpful to get the great music that you focus on in this blog get global reach?</p>
<p>On my bookmarks your blog is under world. Sorry. Have a lot of fun. </p>
<p>Jozef</p>
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		<title>By: Med</title>
		<link>http://www.negrophonic.com/2007/parisian-algerienne/#comment-3711</link>
		<dc:creator>Med</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 23 Oct 2007 05:00:29 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Your "true global reach" theory about world music immediately came to mind when I saw that news bit. It makes sense, your definition.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Your &#8220;true global reach&#8221; theory about world music immediately came to mind when I saw that news bit. It makes sense, your definition.</p>
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		<title>By: jace</title>
		<link>http://www.negrophonic.com/2007/parisian-algerienne/#comment-3710</link>
		<dc:creator>jace</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 23 Oct 2007 01:15:26 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>this is great! full-on support of my Beyonce as world music theory. its true about ethiopians' musical taste from all ive heard (quite a bit) from The Ex &#38; friends. after Ex concerts, they'd get asked things like "why did you play all the wrong notes?".  utter national self-confidence in ethioipian music</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>this is great! full-on support of my Beyonce as world music theory. its true about ethiopians&#8217; musical taste from all ive heard (quite a bit) from The Ex &amp; friends. after Ex concerts, they&#8217;d get asked things like &#8220;why did you play all the wrong notes?&#8221;.  utter national self-confidence in ethioipian music</p>
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		<title>By: Med</title>
		<link>http://www.negrophonic.com/2007/parisian-algerienne/#comment-3709</link>
		<dc:creator>Med</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 22 Oct 2007 20:48:32 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Beyonce in Addis.

"Beyonce marks Ethiopia millennium 

Pop star Beyonce has joined millennium celebrations in Ethiopia with a concert for 5,000 fans. 
The concert was part of the country's year-long celebration of its 2,000th birthday according to its ancient calendar. 

The star gave a two-hour performance in Addis Ababa, singing songs from her new album, B'Day. 

Beyonce told screaming fans that they had been one of the best audiences of her lifetime. 

Lukewarm reception 

However reaction to Beyonce's opening act, multi-platinum-selling rapper Ludacris, was lukewarm from a crowd that tends to be loyal to music in its national language, Amharic. 

"Rap music doesn't suit Ethiopia," said local music promoter Michael Melake. 

"Ethiopians need a melody. It's all about the black American experience, and we don't relate to that." he said. 

In September, at the start of the year 2000, Ethiopia's capital hosted another concert by Black Eyed Peas, but reception for the hip-hop group was also stilted. 

Beyonce, who began her world tour in Moscow last week, will continue on to Romania, Turkey, India, Thailand, Indonesia and China."</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Beyonce in Addis.</p>
<p>&#8220;Beyonce marks Ethiopia millennium </p>
<p>Pop star Beyonce has joined millennium celebrations in Ethiopia with a concert for 5,000 fans.<br />
The concert was part of the country&#8217;s year-long celebration of its 2,000th birthday according to its ancient calendar. </p>
<p>The star gave a two-hour performance in Addis Ababa, singing songs from her new album, B&#8217;Day. </p>
<p>Beyonce told screaming fans that they had been one of the best audiences of her lifetime. </p>
<p>Lukewarm reception </p>
<p>However reaction to Beyonce&#8217;s opening act, multi-platinum-selling rapper Ludacris, was lukewarm from a crowd that tends to be loyal to music in its national language, Amharic. </p>
<p>&#8220;Rap music doesn&#8217;t suit Ethiopia,&#8221; said local music promoter Michael Melake. </p>
<p>&#8220;Ethiopians need a melody. It&#8217;s all about the black American experience, and we don&#8217;t relate to that.&#8221; he said. </p>
<p>In September, at the start of the year 2000, Ethiopia&#8217;s capital hosted another concert by Black Eyed Peas, but reception for the hip-hop group was also stilted. </p>
<p>Beyonce, who began her world tour in Moscow last week, will continue on to Romania, Turkey, India, Thailand, Indonesia and China.&#8221;</p>
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		<title>By: Fortune Grey &#187; Blog Archive &#187; Global minded</title>
		<link>http://www.negrophonic.com/2007/parisian-algerienne/#comment-3669</link>
		<dc:creator>Fortune Grey &#187; Blog Archive &#187; Global minded</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 16 Oct 2007 00:32:44 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] for a new definition. And as usual, a travel-lagged Jace slash Rupture has the goods.  world music is music with truly global reach. Think U2, Beyonce. So, 50 Cent is one [...]</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>[...] for a new definition. And as usual, a travel-lagged Jace slash Rupture has the goods.  world music is music with truly global reach. Think U2, Beyonce. So, 50 Cent is one [...]</p>
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